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How ED+'s videos could look, with actual effort. by SourceRabbit How ED+'s videos could look, with actual effort. by SourceRabbit
Or ''How ED+'s videos would look if actual effort was put into them''

So, I just finished watching the latest of :iconedplus: 's videos... *sigh*

Let me get this off my chest, while I don't consider this guy to actually care about making something worth the watch, I actually think the story has the potential to be good, but it falls flat on it's face with terrible villians, characters that are as flat and undimentional as a paper page, and good god, animation and effort that leaves so much to desire that it's almost cringe worthy. Why do I make this? Because this person has been using SFM for almost two years and cares more about quantity than quality, someone that did so little and archieved so much, while people that actually care about making quality content do not obtain as much as they should have. 

This guy is the Steve Jobs of SFM Ponies, and if you think that's a compliment, maybe then you should do more research and see why I mention it.


Based of his last video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9gKq…
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:iconocean-night:
Ocean-Night Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Student General Artist
I wished he put in more effort to his pic's and video's instead of being lazy and stop worrying when it will be done
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:icongrey-mane:
Grey-Mane Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014   Digital Artist
I actually wish he had just continued the GMod videos.
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Secretbomba Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i understand what you're getting at but i also get why effort was not incorporated into it much, its because he  must have a schedule or something with him he has to pay attention to... but yes these do look a bit better than normal...
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:icontyraka628:
Tyraka628 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
By the way, where did you get the PonyVille buildings/map seen in his latest videos?
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:iconsourcerabbit:
SourceRabbit Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
There is a SFM Ponyville map around, you should check the SFM ponies group to find it, it should be in the section ''Resources''
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:icontyraka628:
Tyraka628 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed...though I, for one, would just be glad if I could actually make SFM videos!
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That would require him to not be a pedophile, though.
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:icontexas-doughnut:
Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
are you for real?
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you for real calling people pedophiles whilst defending an actual one?

Oh shit now I remember you were with that Gunhammer guy. You're clearly a bastion of pure intelligence.
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:icontexas-doughnut:
Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
look who's talking!
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't defend pedophiles because they're famous. :)
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:icontexas-doughnut:
Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
dont you?
well ain't that just what you're doing?

wait, the fact you ARE defending a pedophile isn't a bad thing?
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll give you credit for twisting my words because I was talking about you because you're the one loving and tolerating ED+ for being an actual pedophile and kissing his ass because he's famous.

He's the sort of person that would probably assault a sweetie-belle cosplayer if it means one step closer to fucking his waifu and you're here saying that it isn't a problem and making accusations on random people without evidence because they dared to call him out on this bullshit.

Speaking of evidence: I have a 30MB .rar file. What do you have, mate?
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DillyDong Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
giv rar pls
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:icontexas-doughnut:
Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
after re-reading this entire conversation i want to apologise.
i understood wrong the base comment.

i regret what i said here.
im sorry.
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Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
looks like my sarcasm was on destructive power level.
why do you think i used caps lock?

you call calling him pedophile an ass licking?
also, you're the one defending him, otherwise, why woudl you say this?
i.imgur.com/tfSxYWg.png

you're stupid, go away.
btw. what 30MB .rar file have to do with this conversation?
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XxZacharyWxX Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Hey you and I share same opinion.
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:iconmatty4z:
matty4z Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
:icondragonteaplz:  I think he has the same problem as me -
the problem of work on one thing for to long and
getting lazy and/or doing thinks half hearted  
...but you do make a good point
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ALMarkAZ Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Im approving this...
if he really have a some effort then his animation couuld look a lot better no.. RLY GREAT!
I mean... animations, goot animatioins takes a lot  of time to make but Im simply think that ED is making
them like that in hurry for purpose,.. Fame and glory.
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Aerial-Ace-Pony Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Student Artisan Crafter
His Oc is dating a filly?

Isn't that... a bit weird?...
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:iconsourcerabbit:
SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Believe me, my friend, that's just the top of the iceberg.

It gets worse, oh, so much worse..
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Aerial-Ace-Pony Featured By Owner May 20, 2014  Student Artisan Crafter
I'm scared shitless
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I should probably butt in because I deleted my old tumblr. :v

So ED+ uploaded a bunch of unlisted videos on his channel, and told people that they could see them if they PM'd him. Me being a curious bastard sent him a PM. Few hours later he sent me them and told me not to post them to anyone else.
One of the videos was called "lick ya'". Sweetie and ED were making out, then ED says the demoman line "Ooooh, I'm gonna lick ya.", pushes her over, and then licks her crotch.

The other was called "surprise". Sweetie was alone in one of the TF2 maps. ED pops up behind her. She falls over and I think you can guess what happens next.

I instantly violated his advice and posted them over at facepunch. He somehow found it and deleted them, then went on my twitter to congratulate me on "seeing if I could trust anon". He then stated that he "made it for lolz" (because that excuse TOTALLY worked for Ian Watkins)

Believe it or not I actually have an entire images folder dedicated to this incident that contains everything but the videos (owning that shit is apparently illegal in the UK)
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:iconjdjfjdjn:
jdjfjdjn Featured By Owner May 22, 2014
O.O
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:iconsourcerabbit:
SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 20, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Holy shit

Do you happen to own those images now? I'll gladly give them a fair use in the future.
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sure, I'll send them to you ASAP before the end of the week.
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:icontexas-doughnut:
Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ED is pedofile...everyone knows that
we LOVE AND TOLERATE that :)
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:icondoritos-pope:
Doritos-pope Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Stop that
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:icontexas-doughnut:
Texas-Doughnut Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
why
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:iconjdjfjdjn:
jdjfjdjn Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
XD
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arkantos5dead Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
umm...sorry bout the double comment, no idea how that happened.
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arkantos5dead Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Ehh...Seems everyone just cares about the quality these days, like every single SFM'er i know complains about other SFM'er work arguing about their quality...i love his videos for the story and the simple animations that go well along with the funny story, i don't need and i don't even notice all those things in such detail, all the proper blinking, lip sync, lighting and just general animations, frankly, too much lighting just makes my eyes hurt...i know i might not be one to talk since when i'm watching a youtube video i can't even tell the difference between 360p and 1080p, but if you ask me, i'd say it's better to be this way and not some graphics whore who just plain ignores the video itself and instead of enjoying it just sits there and says things like "omg that lip sync is totally out of place here! Holy fuck, wth is this? cardboard expressions all the way...wtf, was that even an actual animation or did he just spawn a model there and moved the map itself around it?" around every corner.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
I'll hide the double comment in that case.

I don't think you are very qualified to express yourself in a case like this, as you can't tell the difference between quantity and quality, by this logic you could say any cheap show with no substance is nice because you like the story, I don't say a story is not important in a video but it's not the absolute most important thing ever in a video or film, all the elements that are part of it are extremely important, lighting, animation, story and cinematic language as just a single part of it.

My reason to complain is really simple, the person itself has done very little and archived too much for effortlessly made videos with no substance nor style.

Also, you can't move a map in SFM just to make an animation, don't talk about things you don't know about.
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:iconaftwi:
AFtwi Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I will agree as fellow animator (2D animator) that all the things you've mentioned are needed for a good looking animation. But after reading this long discussion i have to say, that Ed+ is an internet animator. And from what I have seen, internet doesn't care about quality, in fact, too much quality is dangerous too. Because those effects that you put in there look good, but how good it would look for full 6 - 8 min. Because all that lighting just makes it look like an never ending sunset.

Even in the industry if you are directing, you have to be careful on how much effort you put in one cut scene, because all of that is time consuming and time is money. So in the end i'd just like to say that Ed+ is and internet, singular animator where only a few people help him in some minor parts. For these effects to take place in his 6-8 min long videos he'd have to hire more people, who'd he could trust and who'd know his style of animation and story telling.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Hm, I'll say you got a point, but let me explain a little further.

While most of the internet doesn't care about quality, it doesn't really mean you should go by those standards, sure, it would take more time (not money, because, well, it's pretty much a one man work and it's something you aren't working as a comission) But it would be far more rewarding than just moving a couple of bones and saying that's an animation, I have been animating too for a while and I can see he's not even trying, it is an extremely lazy attempt to do stuff, ED does this because of the money only, not because he actually loves to animate things (I know so, his own channel has a partner logo in it) I am not saying getting paid for doing what you love is bad, as I am a partner myself, but trying to milk everything just to get the dosh is kinda pathetic in my opinion.
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AFtwi Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well i agree that an artist, animator or any creative person should challenge himself/herself with new styles to get a better grasp at what he or she is doing. For example, when i started animating i started with puppet animations, but since i continued i decided that i like traditional, frame by frame hand drawn animation, better.

But you have to understand one thing too. He is making money out of PONY videos. Do everyone HONESTLY believe that ponies will be here forever, they may still be after they are gone, where people use their OC's to make new content, but ponies have a VERY little range of how far you can go if you use canon characters, canon setting, canon motives etc. Hence we should also consider that Ed is trying to put out as much creative content, story wise, if not animation wise, as he can, while ponies are still here. IF he went cartoon wise, THEN he could just sit back and experiment with his animation as much as he could AND he could still use his OC as the main character.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Interesting way to look at things, I gotta admit you have a very valid point of view, in my case I would have a writer to help me out with things like these so I could focus more on the animation side so I didn't have to worry about the story tho.

However, if it is the case, let's judge the story and it's background.

While the story has continuity it lacks of many things, good villians for example, the cape and Cordellia are... ugh, The cape's story makes no sense at all, he just dislikes Ed because... well, there's actually no reason to begin with, and a CAPE? as a villian?

Cordellia also has no reason to hate the protagonist or go against his ideology, she and her gang are bad because they have to, it feels so forced it fails to give a reason to exist.
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AFtwi Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
True the villains don't really have a solid backstory that makes them who they are. I mean the cape is just, well I don't know if he was serious or not about making the cape a super serious villain or a humorous villain. I too have failed in the past, where I would try and make a serious setting, but failed cuz everyone was laughing, but it wasn't a failed attempt, because the people liked the idea, they just went with it.

The same goes for the cape. Maybe he was intended as a serious villain, but became a humorous one. As for Cordellia and the gang... well I don't recall the specifics, but if I remember correctly Cordellia and Ed had some sort of accident of which ed wasn't aware of until Cordellia actally started to take her revenge in action. Basically Cordellia and the gang is the stereotypical BOSS + 2 IDIOTS type of villains.

And If we look at it now we could say that the cape is a good enough villain that could pull out some gags in the episodes. But Cordellia and the gang nnnnope.

When I usually make something original, that's what I do, I make something original. Yes, you do have to put something new into your idea to get the story interesting and the viewer interested, but new things scare people, so you have to also add something recognizable so that the viewer can relate to those new details.

As for writers and animators relationship. There are two ways. One is where you think of your own story, characters, ideas and animate it on your own. That's basically my situation and I don't like it because animation is teamwork, you can't produce something worth watching on your own. The second way is your way which I kind of admire now that you've mentioned it. Since you only do the animations you can totally just have the 'looking it good' responsibilty, while your writer has the 'make it good' responsibility. That's why I'd love to have a duo our a group like that where each has their own responsibility and their happy about it.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Oh.. well, you have to understand that when people laugh when you tried to scare them or intimidate them with a character, then you really, REALLY screwed up, it's like you try to make a Freddy Krueger movie and instead of making the audience scream of terror, they laugh at him because of how ridiculous the writing is done. That's extremely wrong, especially because that's not what you wanted to archieve.

My point is that exactly, the writing is so terrible it goes in many different directions without it being intentional, it is a huge mess of badly written characters with a story that has many flaws around it, for example, if you have watched the video I put in the description there's a huge problem, if the protagonist's curse in the box only lasted some hours, why in the world can he still talk?
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arkantos5dead Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
*sigh* Everyone's qualified to express themselves where they see fit, i'm no worse than anyone else dropping off their opinions here...While i have to admit that EDs animations aren't as advanced as a few other SFMers, (take argodaemon for example) i'm trying to point out the fact that his show is generally striving towards entertaining the public by being silly and funny, and his style helps him in that category, the simple animations go along more than just well with a show of this kind and to be honest, i can't even picture EDs show with top class animations like many would like to see, it just plain wouldn't fit!

And i am well aware that you can't move the map in SFM, i've tried it for myself (animating in AFM i.e. not moving the map), i was merely quoting comments i've actually seen on youtube before.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
I'll have to disagree on that one, while you have a right to have an opinion, it won't be taken as seriously as someone that has more experience with the subject you talk about, for example, the opinion of an experienced director is more viable and more knowledged than the one of a common citizen if you talk about a movie. Sure, the opinion of the citizen can still be taken but not as much as the director's.

Next, that's right and wrong at the same time, ED+'s videos have comedy, sure, but that's not the biggest side of it, there's more drama than comedy if you look closely (In his series, that is) Villians, problems, drama with a small touch of comedy.  And even if it was the case, it sounds more like an excuse than anything, comedy doesn't mean you can go lazy and just moving a bone when you animate a character, just look at this example right here, does the animation style look like anything simple? I don't think so:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjy1-A…
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arkantos5dead Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
i suppose i have no choice but to back down here...not because i'm running out of things to say but because i have no desire to engage in a pointless struggle between 2 clearly different opinions...i know from experience that these things can go on for quite some time.

Know this- i was raised by low standards, and by low standards i abide, and whenever i see an enjoyable animation on youtube and see a comment saying that he dislikes it coz of the quality...i just plain feel like facepalming myself coz i know that i share the same DNA with such creatures.

Jealous people will always try to make others see their way, that's the way it always has been and will be.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
So just because somebody has a different opinion than yours you feel like that person is worth a facepalm, lovely logic, son.

Of course somebody of your nature would use the jealousy argument, every single fanboy I know uses it, this just proves you aren't qualified to make a valid opinion.
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arkantos5dead Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
Sir...you've just lost what little respect i still had for you.

It suddenly feels like you just went from trying to make reasonable arguments to just trying to piss me off.

There's a difference between having a different opinion and just plain being stubborn...qouting you "someone that did so little and archieved so much, while people that actually care about making quality content do not obtain as much as they should have."

That right there is the definition of jealousy, and it is because of this jealousy and hatred that you even bothered making this, it's because of it that you look past everything that EDs story actually stands for and shows and only focused on spotting every single flaw you could find in it and ignored it's positive aspects completely...you don't realize that yourself yet, it's hard to realize something like that, i know, but your jealousy is so strong that you actually put more effort into trying to convince others that ED isn't deserving of the fame he has instead of focusing on things more vital to your own case...

Has the show and the fandom thought you nothing? Let me tell you right now- i don't hate you, i don't even dislike you...i envy you if anything, because you have what i clearly lack- the talent, skill, will and the patience to actually make something worth watching...i've tried animating in SFM myself, i've tried it time and time again, and you know why i'm no hot shot SFMer with thousands of subscribers? BECAUSE I SUCK! but i realize that and i clearly see the talent of others in this fandom, not just the animators, everyone! writers, musicians and animators alike, i hold a lot of respect for one with great talent since i know first hand that it takes lots of patience to not just abandon your work half way and toss your flimsy animations into youtube hoping you get spotlighted...I always thought i loved this fandom for it's endless talent and it's strong bond of friendship between every brony...i always thought that the SFMers of the fandom are the closest of friends, that they share their secrets of success, their SFM maps and models, maybe even voice actors and modelers...It pains me to hear that you guys are in such conflict with one another.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
That's quite ironic considering how insufferable your answers are, you try to build castle sands with plain air, Jealousy you say? Why would I be jealous of somebody that cares about quantity over quality, that ships his OC with an underage canon character and makes stories with several plot holes? Not to mention, he even said himself he considers his animations to be ''Perfect''.  The reason I make this image is to try to build some sense into this kind of people, even though my efforts will probably end in vain.

As for myself, I try to improve as much as possible, this is why I openly tell people what needs to be fixed in what I do, I take them into consideration because it is important to hear what others have to say, ED is the entire whole oposite, as he never listens to his own public.

Also, I don't need a show to know the basics on how to be a nice person, actually I shouldn't, my parents and myself are responsible of that, not a cartoon, if you need to learn basic lessons of life from a TV show instead of real life, then you got some issues, sure I can learn something from it but it is not the entire base of my attitude.

And to end things up, we are actually very friendly in the SFM fanbase and we talk in a common basis, Ed however isn't in that side because he doesn't want to be there, he was in the skype group but never talked to us once.
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Sarcastic-Brony Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
You need to remember that ED+ started in Gmod. What was once considered cutting edge animating, now is subpar in SFM. Gmod does leave you with some really bad habits. I would know, seeing as I am trying to break those habits whenever I try to animate something. Because lets face it, if he started to make his animation in Gmod again, this post probably wouldn't have been made.

I will admit he does have a rather stubborn attitude of 'if it aint broke dont fix it'. Perhaps an ideal that is acceptable in the original program her used, not in something that practically demands higher quality.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
You got some valid points right there.

While it is hard to create things from scratch with a program you have never used before, a year should be quite enough to make you improve a whole lot, there are gmod artists that have converted their talents to SFM and they have done amazing improvements, check Dr. Face and his SFM videos, you'll find out he does even better, especially with the motion editor.

The problem with ED, tho, is that he wasn't very good at any of both programs to begin with, which makes it even worse for his case.
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GameAct3 Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Be as it may, the realization is that, that's his style of animation. Judgeing by how :iconedplus: does his video's, he's trying to style them as close to the tv show but with 3D animations. You might also take into affect that his computer may not be able to handle the rendering of the animations if lighting techniques are used and models that aren't useful (or don't have a joking purpose), thus cutting production down and making things more frustraing than fun to make a video.

I know I should be one to talk since most of my stuff is about the level as ED's, but I still say that he could have some slack for trying to make a video decently every other month.

But I do think some effort with SFM could add to them.
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SourceRabbit Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Uh, I am sorry to say but you couldn't be more wrong than that, if he was REALLY close to the TV show, the animation would be ten thousand times better than this, all you have to do is watch one of the episodes, ANY of them, and pay close attention at how the animators put special effort and detail in every single second of the episode.

As for the computer, I must strongly disagree, considering I got a horrible computer myself and I can still perform nicely, ED's videos render at at least 256, which in my case, would take days to complete because of how bad my PC is, it's clear he has the necesary specs to run it decently.
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